Discussion in 'UK Property' started by Golfingworld, Nov 16, 2007.

  1. Golfingworld

    Golfingworld New Member

  2. deedee1

    deedee1 New Member

    :)Hi all,

    As long as the market is NOT IN DECLINE and the bank of england lowers interest rates next year as promised then we should be able to ride out the storm next year??

    After all weve had a mass growth for 10 years solid so it had to stall sooner or later??

    And at least we know the issues were not brought on by our own economy or instability and that we are in this situation due to credit crunch knock on effects from the usa etc!!

    Take care-D :)
  3. ady1231

    ady1231 New Member

    It has to be BUST! Prices have gone MAD, and Salaries are not keeping up,

    Prices will crash100%, economy goes in cycles, these are facts:)
  4. deedee1

    deedee1 New Member

    :)Hi all,

    Yes but we still have a huge supply and demand factor to consider in the uk as demand far outstrips supply hence the market should not crash too much surely???

    Also our economy is still strong aswell!!

    Take care-D
  5. ady1231

    ady1231 New Member

    Hey dede;

    Thats true our economy is good, alot of Jobs are being created, yes we do have a shortage in flats etc.., but this has always been the case, we had a shortage of 20k Units in the 1990s , and everybody knows what happened.

    Prices have to come down, by at least 20%, they have gone up too much mate
  6. wesrae

    wesrae New Member

    All very valid points,

    My personal opinion is that as previously stated it is cyclic, I just don't think we have reached a peak in the cycle though. I think things will remain static for a while, then pick up again from 2010 up to the London Olympics in 2012. After that I think we will see a recession.
  7. jackdylan

    jackdylan New Member

    UK investment market a good alternative to buy to let

    I have just purchased a great new investment that I am getting my IFA to put into a SIPP.

    It is a hotel room with a guarenteed 12% in the first year, no hassle.
    After that I get 50% of the revenue

    I have just sold a buy to let and this looks a really good alternative.

    Quest2invest are the selling agents
  8. Janoulaki

    Janoulaki New Member

    hotel room investment might not be the best investment

    have a look at this what I have posted on this forum once

    I worked in the hotels in London in West london and have seen hotels raising and falling and 50% of the revenue is 50% of the room revenue didacted by costs for running (all staff)

    Good luck
  9. Janoulaki

    Janoulaki New Member

    RE: UK Property market

    it is questionable what will happen.

    before somebody announce THE CRASH they should consider different factors

    1, which part of UK do they talk about (ie North of UK is measured differently than South etc.,)
    2, 2008 is 12 months and property market is dropping since August 2007 (however not in London)
    3, lets all see once the bonuses in CITY are paid in March 2008 (if these won't be high then we are looking at slowdown)
    4, If people will not be able to buy a house or afford to live in different parts of UK they will automatically migrate to capital. This will again bring a higher demand. Mind you that economy has got its cycles and these however apply to ideal (utopian) economy where volume and demand are in constant equilibrium.
    5, because we are all aware of it (comparing to previous UK crash) we will not sell the properties but hold to them and only people who will not be able to pay mortgage or who are in need to sell will be pushed to sell for low price

    It is really difficult to say and I am not saying that it will happen nor that it won't
  10. medseA


    we've seen friends make good profits with purchases... it's that the banks are not giving out mortgage like before
  11. I agree with all points made, house price crash are an economic impossibility due to the fact we now have the olympics, Also, the government won't let it happen & property always goes up.
    We also have no Sub-Prime in the UK, the government are currently kicking the banks into lending us all silly money to continue to bump prices up with as we have over the last 10 years.
  12. VPI

    VPI New Member

    All the panic from people not buying UK property and first time buyers being priced out of the market, in my opinon has only increased reantal demands.

    Everyone needs somewhere to live, don't they?
  13. TPTMC

    TPTMC New Member

    Happy Investors!

    What crash?

    Prices fell by 0.2% in September - oh my God!!! How will we survive this apocalypse??!!

    There's a lot of nonsense being drummed by by the media at the moment in the property market. I read in one broadsheet the other day that we were heading for a crash and over the page they had a story about how house prices were going to reach 11 times salaries in certain areas! So, which is it?

    Of course we will see slower growth during 2008 than the last few years - but still GROWTH. Serious property investors are using the uncertainty in the market at the moment to buy bargain properties for long term gain. Don't worry about slower growth in 2008. Anyone who is into property investment for a 12 month period is in the wrong game!

    I've just got my first Polish tenants and they are fantastic and there are plenty more immigrants and young professionals perfectly contented to rent. Supply & demand will favour property investors for at least the next 25 years!

    Last edited: Nov 28, 2007
  14. TPTMC

    TPTMC New Member

    We do have sub-prime borrowing in the UK. Most lenders offer sub-prime lending facilities - we're just more stringent than they Americans. Tony.
  15. medseA


    uk bank mortgage or mortgage company

    we now see alot of uk & foreigners rather prefer borrowing funds from a mortgage company for their overseas investment instead of using their bank. why is so, or aren't the banks giving out mortgage as much as before?
  16. Fizzypopp

    Fizzypopp New Member

    External and internal debt

    The UK has without doubt the worst external debt situation of any country in the world. Between the UK and the USA they own, but not proudly, half the the debt owed to the world be it IMF loans or money owed as outstanding debt for imports and trade deficits. the UK has one fifth of the US population but almost the same external debt level you will be able to judge the imbalance. Saying that all countries have a certain level of debt but the long term aspect is what counts in a rapidly changing world.

    The UK housing market will only falter if the Banks decide between them (and they do have closed meetings) to stop pouring money into the property market. How else does anyone think the market grew in the first place. You cannot borrow what someone will not lend you.

    As regards the larger economy please take note of what the internal voices of the business leaders are beginning to say in articles that creep into the press and online resources. It is not positive. Forget what Brown says - he has his own agenda.

    The truth is getting mortgages approved is getting very hard. That is the one thing that will stall and bring down the house. No different to the US.

    Sub-prime lending has been well embedded into the market in the UK for a decade. If anyone has an old copy of the Sun dating back to 1997 you will see small box adds offering adverse mortgage deals. I knew some of the players - not nice people and walked away 7 years ago.

    Also becoming more competitive in an increasingly competitive world is not the outcome if you raise running costs like the railways have. You need lower wages, lower costs, lower house prices and lower expectations to survive the oncoming route called globalization.

    Perhaps reading what the press says about the UK from afar will prove a more rounded view.

    Just a view.


    Survival long term is all about balance.

    Oh....and to put point to the comment we have just read this article in online - The Times.

    HSBC predicts property slump next year - Times Online

    Who would argue if the HSBC thinks it is a mess? Hardly in their interests to talk down the housing market but spells volumes about where they (The UK Banks) see their own future. They DO NOT GIVE A **** about the public. They do not care and they will take away the keys if they think it will help their bottom line. Seen it twice before. No different this time as one of the key factors in our opinion is that the UK house has been used to buy the future early retirement to the sunny shores of Costa Lot. If you equate 70% of the households interviewed wanted to sell and retire abroad they wanted their homes to be worth as much as possible. And why not. Everyone deserves a bit of sunshine.
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2007
  17. Gerry Pridham

    Gerry Pridham New Member

    Property prices in the UK.

    I maintain it matters not provided your portfolio is geared with less than 70% LTV and is currently cash flow positive. We enter into this business stating that we are in it for the long term, so why should the events of the last few months or the crystal ball gazing of the next few months have any impact on our activities. Spend the time looking for those BMVs and take no notice of gloom and doom merchants.
  18. Fizzypopp

    Fizzypopp New Member

    Market trends

    There is a lot to be said about the positive side of any crash - it creates great opportunities which we have seen and been involved with.

    That is the flip side of the issue in hand.

    In the US we are involved with a lot of people making hay while the sun is setting for others.

    That is what the property game is all about. Keeping the eyes, and the ears open to opportunities and growth.

  19. sqftmag

    sqftmag <B>Moderator</B> & Senior Member

    How right you are!

  20. anna2

    anna2 New Member

    I think the UK is going to remain a pretty stable market. Things are slowing down for sure but I just don't beleive that anything dramatic is going to happen. Supply of new housing is so limited in the UK compared to other countires

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