Real Estate Investment in Brazil

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Patra01

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Hi Friends,

You will agree with me that Holidays Mood for New Year eve has been passed, and most of the business men are preparing their New Year business strategy. They are considering the global market conditions, and the upcoming investment strategy for different investment sectors. But, most of them are busy for initiating their real estate investment business due to high ROI (Return On Investment). They assumed that Real Estate Investment Business is increasing rapidly all over in the Brazil, and there is a huge chance for profit.

Do you consider that their investment marketing strategy is right? Or you would like to suggest any other options??

Just share your thoughts and assist them for their upcoming business !

Have A Great Day !
 
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jamfazal

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I am from out of Brazil want to buy Property tell me terms and condition do we need nationality card that help me to buy property or we can buy houses with out any requirement if you have any suggestion for me share here and define your country terms and condition.
 
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penelopy

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Hi Patra,

Brasil has been growing very rapidly in various states over the past 5 years to the extent that in some hotspot areas property prices have been dropping due to over builds and lack of interest or because there are now so many properties to choose from you can hang out for longer . Notice the Brasil Property forum is no longer very active as it once was as most of the people on here are brits who invested and have had bad experiences with the minority doing ok . Have a read through the posts and see if Brasil is what you believe it is.

Happy reading.

Hi Friends,

You will agree with me that Holidays Mood for New Year eve has been passed, and most of the business men are preparing their New Year business strategy. They are considering the global market conditions, and the upcoming investment strategy for different investment sectors. But, most of them are busy for initiating their real estate investment business due to high ROI (Return On Investment). They assumed that Real Estate Investment Business is increasing rapidly all over in the Brazil, and there is a huge chance for profit.

Do you consider that their investment marketing strategy is right? Or you would like to suggest any other options??

Just share your thoughts and assist them for their upcoming business !

Have A Great Day !
 
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Murfster

Member
I think the truth is actually a mixture of both the last two posts. The recession and the pessimistic world outlook as a whole, which the media has whipped up to a frenzy will of course drive down demand. In addition as Penelopy says there has been over supply/construction at the same time which when combined we should all remember from our o'level economics around supply and demand also means falling prices.

I see so many websites including the one associated with yourself Robh stating 20 or 25% capital increases year on year in places like Pipa but having bought there myself I can tell you its complelet fabrication. You only have to look at "successful" sold out developments such as Pipa Beleza and work back 3/4 years to their off plan selling prices (which are always advertised as discounted...due to inherent risk in off plan being borne by the buyer) and compare with their equivalent resale values now...I would suggest not even 10% growth (the discount?) in those 4 years....so where is the 25% compound growth year on year? And I am not even sure we are comparing like with like as the resales tend to be fully furnished!
 
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growler

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Without a doubt it has become more difficult in Brazil but it is still a good place to invest and there is still money to be made.

Whilst the overseas market has dropped off, there is still a growing domestic market. Personally, I don't believe the larger condo projects being offered are particularly attractive at the moment and they are certainly a long term investment.

Location is obviously very important, unfortunately, many of the large projects being offered are actually not that close to the sea. For most people, "beachfront" or "close to beach" means somewhere a lot less than a 15 minute walk or 5 minute drive to get there.

I think anyone thinking of buying in Brazil (or anywhere else actually) should go and visit and not be taken in by the glossy ads which aren't always what they seem or what the buyer is looking for.

I bought a couple of plots about three and a half years ago and sold them one year ago for about 46% more, which is way better than I could have done in the majority of places in Europe I am now building a couple of houses nearby with stunning views but it is still a gamble. Buying property always is, especially in these uncertain times but....Brazil is still receiving great praise and is still one of the better places to invest (IMO).
 
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penelopy

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Quite right Murster! If you view most sites in English they all chat the same% 30% appreciation offering so called full management and of course it`s mostly nonsense.Brasilians certainly don`t advertise that way as they have such a huge network of agents they don`t need to and they would get a slapped wrist if they did.
I think the truth is actually a mixture of both the last two posts. The recession and the pessimistic world outlook as a whole, which the media has whipped up to a frenzy will of course drive down demand. In addition as Penelopy says there has been over supply/construction at the same time which when combined we should all remember from our o'level economics around supply and demand also means falling prices.

I see so many websites including the one associated with yourself Robh stating 20 or 25% capital increases year on year in places like Pipa but having bought there myself I can tell you its complelet fabrication. You only have to look at "successful" sold out developments such as Pipa Beleza and work back 3/4 years to their off plan selling prices (which are always advertised as discounted...due to inherent risk in off plan being borne by the buyer) and compare with their equivalent resale values now...I would suggest not even 10% growth (the discount?) in those 4 years....so where is the 25% compound growth year on year? And I am not even sure we are comparing like with like as the resales tend to be fully furnished!
 
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penelopy

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Have you seen advertising by Brasilian companies in Natal mentioning 30% appreciation on returns ? I haven`t and I was there very recently.
Quite right Murster! If you view most sites in English they all chat the same% 30% appreciation offering so called full management and of course it`s mostly nonsense.Brasilians certainly don`t advertise that way as they have such a huge network of agents they don`t need to and they would get a slapped wrist if they did.
 
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penelopy

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Rob, I am not dotty you`re dotty.

Keep to worthwhile and constructive conversation it will be better for you in the long term.
 
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Erik C.

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Property prices here in Petropolis RJ have not moved much in the last few years.
 
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debzor

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Property prices here in Petropolis RJ have not moved much in the last few years.
Yet here in Itamaraca PE, prices are rising rapidly - although we do have some quite specific reasons. So it can vary considerably from area to area, even within one town or city I would imagine...
 
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Erik C.

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Yet here in Itamaraca PE, prices are rising rapidly - although we do have some quite specific reasons. So it can vary considerably from area to area, even within one town or city I would imagine...

Could you tell me what those reasons are?
 
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debzor

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Could you tell me what those reasons are?
Sure - here on the island of Itamaraca are a couple of very old prisons, that tended to 'leak'. This drove down property prices over the past 15-20 years, so everything became very cheap, and nobody wanted to come here. Now they are closing...
 
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Blc

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Without a doubt it has become more difficult in Brazil but it is still a good place to invest and there is still money to be made.

Whilst the overseas market has dropped off, there is still a growing domestic market. Personally, I don't believe the larger condo projects being offered are particularly attractive at the moment and they are certainly a long term investment.

Location is obviously very important, unfortunately, many of the large projects being offered are actually not that close to the sea. For most people, "beachfront" or "close to beach" means somewhere a lot less than a 15 minute walk or 5 minute drive to get there.

I think anyone thinking of buying in Brazil (or anywhere else actually) should go and visit and not be taken in by the glossy ads which aren't always what they seem or what the buyer is looking for.

I bought a couple of plots about three and a half years ago and sold them one year ago for about 46% more, which is way better than I could have done in the majority of places in Europe I am now building a couple of houses nearby with stunning views but it is still a gamble. Buying property always is, especially in these uncertain times but....Brazil is still receiving great praise and is still one of the better places to invest (IMO).



Brazil's Failing Popular Housing Program Shows a Government Out of Touch with Reality

2012 - January 2012

Written by Ruban Selvanayagam
Thursday, 05 January 2012 02:11
In 2011 it became increasingly apparent that the Brazilian property market is unlikely to escape the ongoing effects of the global financial climate with bearish forecasts pointing to drops potentially reaching as much as 40 percent.
However, the infancy of the sector combined with the relatively strong position of the economy, the sheer size of the country and the lack of reliable house price indices often makes such predictions tricky when looking at the matter objectively.
Nevertheless, despite the unprecedented pent-up demand for real estate, it is arguably the low income sector that remains in a worse than ever position with the large majority of the demographic remaining in favelas or other forms of insalubrious accommodation.
According to the Brazilian Geography and Statistics Institute (IBGE) - in stark contrast with the mid-upper class residential real estate market where prices have now reached comparable levels to those of prime New York, London and Hong Kong - 22 percent of the Rio de Janeiro population still live in favelas, a number that has grown 57.9 percent between 1991 and 2011.
In Belém (Pará) 53.9 percent of the population are in such circumstances, Salvador (Bahia) has 26.1 percent, Recife (Pernambuco) has 23.2 percent and São Luís (Maranhão) has 24.5 percent.
It is also worth noting that several specialists argue that a considerable amount of units that are of bad quality with little adherence to the most basic building standards are often counted as being part of normal stock which, in reality, means that the national deficit could well reach up to 30 million units.
With Rio de Janeiro state statistically having the highest presence of favela communities in the country, late 2010 and throughout 2011 saw the growth "pacification" programs - involving the arrests of key criminals and traffickers - which were widely deemed as a success.
Nationally, such initiatives are being referred to as a fundamental lynchpin in the right direction for dealing with the issue of favelas in light of the growing attention that the country is attracting.
Yet, whilst complemented by impending infrastructure development programs, such as Morar Carioca, there is very little drive towards resolving the degraded housing conditions that many Brazilians are experiencing.
According to urban specialist Marcelo Burgos speaking to the Estado de S. Paulo newspaper (December 25, 2011): "Large collectives of Brazilian populations have a low quality of life, mobility issues and very poor access to communal areas whilst also experiencing high pollution, transport problems and greater incidences of violence."
The newspaper also mentioned the highly speculative nature of the informal real estate market that exists and spoke to a resident in the largest favela in Rio - Rocinha - who stated she pays a rent of 245 reais (US$ 134) for a 9m² room - a costly figure considering she is taking home the national minimum wage (622 reais - US$ 340 - as of January 2012),leaving her with a low level of disposable income in what has clearly become an inflated consumer market.
Whilst the government should be commended somewhat for initiating the social housing program Minha Casa, Minha Vida (My House, My Life),it is undeniably inflationary pressures that have led to the derailment of its fundamental goals of catering to the affordable sector.
In line with the growth of the real estate market, Brazil's construction industry input values have escalated disproportionately - particularly the costs of land and key materials.
In addition, 2011 saw a number of issues emerge related to the contracting of building site labor, such as what were seen via the strikes demanding pay rises in Pernambuco, one of the fastest growing regions in the country that forced Brazilian developers to comply or have to deal with even bigger losses.
Other notable concerns include the bureaucracy and cumbersomeness of the main financial administrators - Caixa Econômica Federal - as well as a growing number of false marketing sales tactics which led to a quadrupling of complaints during 2011.
As a result of companies needing to raise their prices in line with such market pressures (in order to achieve a sufficient profit margin),government proclaims of targets being met are simply untrue. Figures often referred to by the government and in the Brazilian press are for projects that have been approved for construction and not completed.
Today, the private construction industry is largely steering clear of accessing the program with not one unit completed for the 1-3 minimum demographic in 2011 and only 3,600 in 2010. Many projects that have been started specifically for the 1-3 minimum salary level have either been stalled or abandoned completely due to cash flow problems.
Companies who have publicly stated their commitment to the sector have, in reality, undergone a change in strategy to cater to a more middle and above income demographic in order to justify higher sales prices. Yet even the largest companies who have the benefits of scale have been running into difficulties.
Tenda, for example, with 30,000 units being built in various parts of Brazil, reported that 11,000 are in some form of complicated situation mainly involving delivery delays (with a handful of projects being 2 years overdue); bureaucratic issues related to registration at the Caixa Econômica Federal and labor contractual complexities.
Speaking to the Brasil Econômico news journal in November 2011, executive director Rodrigo Osmo confirmed that some projects in the first stages of development are being reevaluated and canceled: "We are putting the brakes on - developments completed at up to 20 percent will be considered as to whether it is best to stop."
With economist Ricardo Torres recently musing over the fact that a kilo of picanha beef is equivalent to a tenth of the country's minimum monthly wage - how can it be made possible for the huge demand for genuinely affordable housing to be fulfilled?
Dilma Rousseff's recent statement of the Minha Casa, Minha Vida program being an essential component of protecting the country against the effects of the European economic crisis represents a government clearly out of touch with the housing conditions of the majority of its population.
Perhaps the first stage then is for the country's leaders themselves to face up to the situation and not concede to illogical pressures such as those being made by the self-interested objectives of the construction industry to raise price ceilings, as was seen by pushing up the maximum limit of the Minha Casa, Minha Vida sales value from R$ 130,000 to R$ 170,000 (February 2011) and increasing the construction sales tax threshold (from R$ 75,000 to R$ 85,000, December 2011).
Such legislation merely serves to drive housing even further out of the reach of those most in need whilst fueling the increasingly growing speculative bubble that has emerged in recent years.
There is also a vital need for the industry itself to think beyond what are often dated methodologies related to how affordable housing is constructed. Professor Vanderley John of the civil engineering polytechnic school of the University of São Paulo (USP) stated in August 2011:
"The bulk of what Brazil produces is still based on technology of a hundred years ago. There have been innovations but the core material has not changed - we need things to be radically innovative."
Moreover, the industry itself indeed needs to move beyond the "stop-gap" bare bone solutions that are being discussed such as housing microfinance (small loans provided to families to improve their favela units) and understand that the demographic deserves sincere attention in the form of cohesive and long-term answers to core housing needs.

The Cusp of a 2012 Brazilian Property Bubble Burst?
Jan 08, 2012 | 0 Comment(s)


Brazil’s reputation, after a lulled period during the initial phases of the 2008 crisis, was fortified as a real estate destination well worth paying attention to – with a massive housing deficit, a well-capitalised banking system and several other solid economic fundamentals. Nevertheless, in an ongoing climate of global economic uncertainty, it would seem that no property market is immune.
Particularly over the last year, however, prices have reached levels that even the most bullish of onlookers are viewing with some trepidation.
Take São Paulo, where it was recently reported by the Lello estate agency that the prices of resale homes in prime areas rose by as much as 175 percent in the last two years. The Fipe-ZAP index also recently indicated that prices in Rio de Janeiro and Recife had increased 34.90 percent and 30.70 percent respectively in 2011 alone.
While the so-called “independent market specialists” are invariably maintaining that the Brazil property bubble will not burst (reverting to factors such as the country’s unprecedented demand levels fuelled by an unsaturated housing credit market),a closer look at the facts points to a picture that may not be so rosy.
Market trends
The performance of the leading real estate developers is a prominent example of the fact that the market has been moving out of sync with reality. The country’s 4th largest developer Gafisa took a turn for the worse after Sam Zell of Equity International’s share sale in May 2010, tanking 64.94 percent and losing half of its market value during the course of 2011. Gafisa was not alone: Rossi fell by 44.74 percent on the year, Brookfield by -40.95 percent, Cyrela by -30.67 percent and MRV by -30.57 percent.
The basis of these drops can be attributed to a number of factors. Fundamentally, despite higher disposable income levels (and a recent increase in the national minimum wage),the majority of the Brazilian population have been pushed out of the property buying market. This is noticeably the case for the low income demographic that form the lion’s share of the national deficit who – despite the ill-executed social housing programme Minha Casa, Minha Vida (“My House, My Life”) – largely remains in shanty towns (favelas) or other forms of undignified housing.
Related to this, the soaring costs of land, construction and – most notably – labour have forced developers to elevate prices beyond the means of even middle-income groups (to achieve sufficient margins),all under a seeming lack of industry control to curb the effects of speculation.
Cyrela, despite the upbeat comments made on the future of the real estate market in late 2011, made a loss of USD 533 million due to over-estimated construction costs. In the case of Gafisa, the acquisition of affordable housing developer Tenda served to exacerbate the company’s difficulties with average project profitability reaching barely above zero; 11,000 ‘problem’ housing units and only 16 percent of customers having the means to pay mortgage commitments.
Property Bubble?
With reputations continuing to be stained by media exposés and a rising number of legal actions, early 2012 signs are pointing to developers applying the operational brakes in a market that has simply grown out of control.
Nevertheless, to label what is happening in Brazil as a bubble in the same light as what has occurred in the US, the UK and European real estate markets can be strongly debated as an extreme standpoint.
Brazil’s banking system, for instance, is based on well guided underwriting principles that operate well beyond the minimum standards set by the Basel Accord – a sub-prime debacle is therefore very unlikely to happen.
Furthermore, after many years of low activity, the growth potential of the country’s property market is still at its infant stages, particularly considering the very low supply of adequate housing and that gross housing credit forms approximately 5 percent of the country’s GDP (compared to 68 percent in the USA). A bubble burst of sorts may indeed be what is needed to bring affordability back into the marketplace for the average Brazilian.
For investors, the opportunities in Brazil real estate are massive and will remain so for a long time – but much caution needs to be undertaken to avoid falling victim to false marketing, hype and the abundance of distorted information that simply does not reflect the truth.
 
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growler

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Interesting article Blc, I didn't read all of it but it does seem to be focusing on the "everyday" Brazilian market if I am not mistaken.

You quoted my post, not sure if that is because you agree or disagree with it but the last part of the article says...

For investors, the opportunities in Brazil real estate are massive and will remain so for a long time – but much caution needs to be undertaken to avoid falling victim to false marketing, hype and the abundance of distorted information that simply does not reflect the truth.
This is the point I was making (I hope). Large projects with over inflated profits being quoted, often advertised as "having sea views" or "close to beach" when in fact they are nothing of the sort.

There are still areas which can generate a good return, but it is best to either visit or talk to someone who has no connection to what you are looking at buying.
 
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