estrela do atlantico

Discussion in 'Brazil Property' started by gta, Jan 21, 2013.

  1. gta

    gta New Member

    i have invested in estrela do atlantico in Natal through Obelisk. They now show no interest whatsoever. Manzanares the solicitors do not answer my e-mails. Is anyone else in this situation? don't know what to do next
  2. rangers

    rangers New Member

    Hi gta,

    It's the same with me, none of them have responded to my emails since October.

    Have had contact with someone who has moved into his apartment, but he did not buy through Obelisk, and has not Manzenares as lawyers.

    As he says, there is still ongoing work in the building.

    Please ask if there are any questions, I'll try and answer as best I can.

    Regards rangers
  3. DTC

    DTC New Member


    It's possible to recover investments, interests and earning losses from companies that delay the works.

    I have hired a lawyer and the case seems very strong, as there is some Brazilian Laws that are very protective with investors, and I am very confident.
  4. PeterV

    PeterV Banned


    In Brazil there is the law, and there's the LAW.
    Where did you obtain that confidence?

    And which lawyer did you hire?

  5. DTC

    DTC New Member

    I watched a presentation given by a Brazilian lawyer about this matter in London, few months ago.
    It was explained which are the laws applied in our cases, how the Brazilian Court works, our chances, precedents, so on. She seems an expert in these kind of issue.
    The things became clear for me and I could see that it possible to recover my investments.
    I can not post her contacts here, so if you are interested, just send me a private mensage.
  6. Norbert

    Norbert Senior Member <br /><img src="http://img.propertyc


    The madam opened the brothel door to see a rather dignified, well-dressed good looking man in his late 40s or early 50s.

    "May I help you?" she asked.
    "I want to see Valerie," the man replied.

    "Sir, Valerie is one of our most expensive ladies.
    Perhaps you would prefer someone else," said the madam.

    "No. I must see Valerie," was the man's reply.

    Just then, Valerie appeared and announced to the man that she charged $5,000 a visit.
    Without hesitation, the man pulled out five thousand dollars and gave them to Valerie, and they went upstairs.
    After an hour, the man calmly left.

    The next night, the same man appeared again, demanding to see Valerie.
    Valerie explained that none had ever come back two nights in a row and there were no discounts.
    The price was still $5,000.
    Again the man pulled out the money, gave it to Valerie and they went upstairs.
    And after an hour, he left.

    The following night the man was there again.
    Everyone was astounded that he had come for the third consecutive night, but he paid Valerie and they went upstairs.
    After their session, Valerie questioned the man.
    "No one has ever been with me three nights in a row.
    Where are you from?" she asked.
    The man replied, "South Carolina."
    "Really" she said. "I have family in South Carolina."
    "I know," the man said.
    "Your father died, and I am your sister's attorney.
    She asked me to give you your $15,000 inheritance. "

    The moral of the story is that only three things in life are certain:

    1. Death
    2. Taxes
    3. Being screwed by a lawyer.
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2013
  7. Norbert

    Norbert Senior Member <br /><img src="http://img.propertyc

    How To Select Your Lawyer

    That was to cheer you up :)

    Now as regards the more serious side of life.

    Whether a simple contracts, or a case of litigations, it is imperative that you hire a LOCAL lawyer.
    One that is experienced with property/real estate law in the particular area where you are buying/acting, let's assume NATAL, and not one that is 9000 miles away.
    When you have decided to go for a law firm in your home country, ask who is representing them in Natal, in the event things go wrong, and you need to go to court.
    And when you do not speak Spanish/Portuguese/Turkish, do they speak English?

    Just because lawyers tell you that they do Real Estate doesn't necessarily mean that they are qualified to handle your case.
    Select a lawyer the same way you would select your surgeon: ask friends, colleagues, your boss, and, if overseas, your nearest Consulate General.

    When you have traced a few names, go and check them out online. Blogs like this esteemed one are very helpful. Just type the name of the law firm in SEARCH, and see what comes up.
    When it is an off-plan or unfinished project, Google for the name of the project AND the lawyer together. Your lawyer should be independent, and a conflict of interest must be avoided at all costs.

    Then, call or visit them. A first consultation is often free.
    Explain your plans, and needs, and then ask questions like these:

    Where did you obtain our degrees.

    Did you specialize?

    How long have you been practicing in the field of property/real estate/litigation/environmental/construction (whatever applicable).

    How many cases like this do you handle, on average, per month.

    Do you have names of some of their clients as references.

    Are you professionally involved in this project in any way.

    Have you ever been involved with the developers (builders, architects, operators, mortgage-lenders) of this project.

    How would you handle my case? Experienced lawyers with say 4-5 years in this field will have no problem in give you a rough outline of the actions to be taken.

    Do you work on this case alone, or will it be shared with colleagues or assistants (student, paralegal). If so, how much experience do they have, what their role, and whom do I contact when I have additional questions (which you will).

    Do you have mobile number I can use outside office-hours?

    What are your fees. When do I pay them. A fixed flat fee, an hourly fee. Which services are included. Which services are not included.
    Always request an estimate.

    How was the communication?

    How quickly did they return your first call.

    Do they look you in the eyes during a personal communication?

    Do they allow telephone calls to interrupt your meeting?

    Are they approachable / arrogant / very articulate / clever?

    Important is whether you have a rapport with that person.
    Remember, you are hiring staff - you must be getting the kind of attention you want!

    Good luck!
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2013
  8. PeterV

    PeterV Banned


    Very useful, thanks.
    I have printed it out and will be using it for Portugal.

  9. DTC

    DTC New Member

    Thanks Norbert, very interesting your post.

    Actually, I took some of these cautions. I got some references from another investors who hired this lawyer before and they are satisfied.
    So far, I am also satisfied, as the lawyer is regardful when contacted for me.

    So I hope that I have done a good choice.

  10. Maria2

    Maria2 Active Member

    love it

    Extremely funny, and so true! :congrats:

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