Dubai property market taking a nose dive?

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georgihh

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Dubai market is doomed if $ didn't fall, if you study the charts, some how dubai market appears to be inversely related with the price of $. $ is rising it is good for renting or people who have secured mortgage but bad for off plan properties. But one little problem, there is no fundamental reason behind the rise of $, so it can come crashing down as fast it went up. But when will that happen is difficult to guess.
If the $ is stronger less money will come to the country as the main “investors” are from Pakistan, India, Iran, UK, Russia and all of the above currencies lost 25% of the value, so 25% less money to the country.
If the $ gains 10% more will be 35% less money to UAE
The still and the concrete will be cheaper the labour will demand less salary.
So why not prices go down by 30%.
 
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If the $ is stronger less money will come to the country as the main “investors” are from Pakistan, India, Iran, UK, Russia and all of the above currencies lost 25% of the value, so 25% less money to the country.
If the $ gains 10% more will be 35% less money to UAE
The still and the concrete will be cheaper the labour will demand less salary.
So why not prices go down by 30%.
They can come down to 30% if everybody wants to cash out close to their cost, but everybody doesn't want to cashout cost to cost in dhs. There will be people who will be holding their properties so price is not exactly expected to come down to 30%. Especially if you are renting out you will earn 30% more on your investments in your home country. So renting out here does have attraction but that would depend on the supply of ready units. But overall renting out should be reason to hold ready or soon to be ready properties. There are other reasons, since properties have differentiated demand so prices doesn't drop equally for every property. Some properties in prime locations might still earn good return on resale value.

Another thing, it is not certain $ will stay at that level esp in the light of all the $ printing by Fed recently. So in coming few months increased supply of $ is expected to show effects too, in that case, $ can take a nose dive again and commodities will shoot up high again too. That would be another reason to hold on to a real estate for those who can.

But these are long-term investors, flippers market appears to have ended. And property prices in the beginning are expected to go down fast and then stabilize, since flippers who couldn't dispose their properties must be trying to get out of the market as soon as possible.
 
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They can come down to 30% if everybody wants to cash out close to their cost, but everybody doesn't want to cashout cost to cost in dhs. There will be people who will be holding their properties so price is not exactly expected to come down to 30%. Especially if you are renting out you will earn 30% more on your investments in your home country. So renting out here does have attraction but that would depend on the supply of ready units. But overall renting out should be reason to hold ready or soon to be ready properties. There are other reasons, since properties have differentiated demand so prices doesn't drop equally for every property. Some properties in prime locations might still earn good return on resale value.

Another thing, it is not certain $ will stay at that level esp in the light of all the $ printing by Fed recently. So in coming few months increased supply of $ is expected to show effects too, in that case, $ can take a nose dive again and commodities will shoot up high again too. That would be another reason to hold on to a real estate for those who can.

But these are long-term investors, flippers market appears to have ended. And property prices in the beginning are expected to go down fast and then stabilize, since flippers who couldn't dispose their properties must be trying to get out of the market as soon as possible.
The history shows that the most acceptable rate exchange is 1$=1.78DM or
1 Euro = 1.10 $
This is the rate exchange when the import and exports from Europe and America are in balance.
As far as I remember the pound should be 1.55$.
Pretty much we are achieving the levels and don’t expect the $ to get weaker in the near future.
Pakistani, Russian and Iranian currencies can sink overnight.
What is happening at the moment is every body is converting into dollars.
Even if America prints 1 trillion extra $ will not damage the current trend
 
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US$ is expected to fall somewhere in 2009, with more economic reasons to support that. But real concern is US economy is not out of trouble and their could be bad news that might sink US$ in a day. Situation was similar for the stock market before Lehmen brother news came out and Dow took the biggest fall since great depression. Sentiments in US$ market are similar, people are thinking it is safe currency but any serious news could sink $ like Soviet ruble collapse. US is not in exactly similar situation but signs are similar, US is facing her biggest debt in history. Investors are in panic mode they are running from one thing to another, so US $ collapse is a possibility.

I'm not saying that will happen but there is definitely a possibility, we don't want to make same mistake that the flippers made. Financial crises is not just with the property market. People are already flocking to gold, and phisical gold is selling for 50% premium on ebay. That means there are investors who are expecting a collapse of $, and any panicing news might send everybody out of US$ to gold and silver, and in that case US$ will collapse. That is good news and bad news for property market, off-plan property like comex gold can default, and most developers will default if US$ collapse. But completed property would still have value. But Gold and silver has liquidity and it can be used as currency.

There is difference between fall in US$ and collapse. Fall would increase demand for UAE properties, but collapse will run havoc. And market is behaving very strange these days, the sharp rise may not be good, sometimes a sharp rise is a sign for a looming collapse.

Here is some information worth considering (bolded text):
COMEX gold is a form of debt. It involves one party promising to produce gold (money) to another at a future date. Like all forms of debt, a COMEX futures contract is only as good as the counterparty behind the contract. Right now, because of low margin requirements, sellers of gold futures only have enough gold to cover 10% of outstanding contracts stored in COMEX warehouses. Considering that the biggest sellers of gold futures contract are insolvent financial institutions, it is obvious that COMEX gold has enormous counterparty risks . If even a quarter of outstanding contracts asked for physical delivery, it would be enough to guarantee a default. Since a financial collapse would actually creates the risk total default (insolvent banks can't produce the gold or cash),COMEX gold fails miserably as a safe haven . This is why COMEX gold prices are falling, while physical gold is disappearing from the market place

Because of scarcity, physical gold is selling at an enormous premium to gold spot price (which is set by COMEX). How big a premium? Well, on eBay 2008 gold buffalo are trading between 300 to 400 over spot price. That is a 50% premium. The enormous premiums being paid in the physical market...

My reaction: I am certain the US is less than a month away from a currency collapse. The fed and treasury are not even taking the time to think at this point: they are just throwing money and guarantees at each new problem that pops up without worrying about the consequence. Since no one can imagine a currency collapse, there isn't the political will to take the painful steps needed to prevent it (reign in fed and let institutions fail). The forces and trends behind the financial collapse are too powerful to stop.

U.S. Dollar Currency Collapse Within 30 Days :: The Market Oracle :: Financial Markets Analysis & Forecasting Free Website
 
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On the bright side, UAE's corporate and banking earnings are impressive, so UAE economy is not in the same situation as US, UK, and Eurozone. But that doesn't mean property prices would resume the way they were (that was abnormal growth),but growth should go back to traditional/normal economic style.
 
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