BRAZIL WORLD CUP 2014!!!!

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michaelbush

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Yes pretty hectic last night- lots of partying and celebrations! Next year will be interesting as America and ABC will both be in the same league and that, I am sure will provoke passions! They are serious rivals so the BOPE will be out in force when they play eac other here in Natal.
 
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Golfingworld

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In Portugal, not only did they build lots of new stadiums but they also made vast investments into the infrastructure, not least to be able to quickly and safely get the visitors from their hotels to the stadiums and back again.

Yes I went to Euro 2004 (not 2002) both to the Lisbon Estadio de la Luz (England v France) and also to Coimbra (England v Switzerland).

The sum total of Portuguese infrastructure investment resulted in over 2 hours to get in to the stadium in Lisbon and nearly 2 hours to get out due to the fact there were actually only about 4 exits from the parapet around the stadium. I could post pics of the chaos if I wanted to and I was on official FA tickets!

In Coimbra it was a monumental cock up, as there were about 20,000 England fans travelling north from Lisbon (some from Faro even, as helpful friendly UK Tour Operators had put them into Albufeira for Coimbra...a bit like Birmingham for Inverness)!

When the traffic got snarled up on the main highway north to Coimbra, what did Portuguese Police do....shut the motorway exit for Coimbra and told everyone to carry on North and sort it out amongst themselves! We even saw 2 Policemen up a ladder at the motorway exits taking down the "estadio orange signs",others put barriers across the exits. This resulted in about 15,000 driving from 15km north of Coimbra and then south back into Coimbra and thru the city centre, which was also totally snarled up. Car dumping and walking became the order of the day, and we set off from Peniche 5 hours before kick off for a journey of 100km max!

This is my second Euros and I have done three world Cups including a final in Madrid (1982) and as yet, not found any of them anything like the "corporate statements" about infrastructure except 1966 and Euro 96! The Madrid final took a 9 hour coach journey from Barcelona as they had screwed up capacity and a return via madrid Airport, which was more like a field hospital out of "Mash". Not to mention it was the hottest day of the year 39 degrees.

Can you imagine what it will be like in Brazil to follow your team spread from Salvador to Belem and Brasilia? Don't believe what you read!
 
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JMBroad

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In Portugal, not only did they build lots of new stadiums but they also made vast investments into the infrastructure, not least to be able to quickly and safely get the visitors from their hotels to the stadiums and back again.

Yes I went to Euro 2004 (not 2002) both to the Lisbon Estadio de la Luz (England v France) and also to Coimbra (England v Switzerland).

The sum total of Portuguese infrastructure investment resulted in over 2 hours to get in to the stadium in Lisbon and nearly 2 hours to get out due to the fact there were actually only about 4 exits from the parapet around the stadium. I could post pics of the chaos if I wanted to and I was on official FA tickets!

In Coimbra it was a monumental cock up, as there were about 20,000 England fans travelling north from Lisbon (some from Faro even, as helpful friendly UK Tour Operators had put them into Albufeira for Coimbra...a bit like Birmingham for Inverness)!

When the traffic got snarled up on the main highway north to Coimbra, what did Portuguese Police do....shut the motorway exit for Coimbra and told everyone to carry on North and sort it out amongst themselves! We even saw 2 Policemen up a ladder at the motorway exits taking down the "estadio orange signs",others put barriers across the exits. This resulted in about 15,000 driving from 15km north of Coimbra and then south back into Coimbra and thru the city centre, which was also totally snarled up. Car dumping and walking became the order of the day, and we set off from Peniche 5 hours before kick off for a journey of 100km max!

This is my second Euros and I have done three world Cups including a final in Madrid (1982) and as yet, not found any of them anything like the "corporate statements" about infrastructure except 1966 and Euro 96! The Madrid final took a 9 hour coach journey from Barcelona as they had screwed up capacity and a return via madrid Airport, which was more like a field hospital out of "Mash". Not to mention it was the hottest day of the year 39 degrees.

Can you imagine what it will be like in Brazil to follow your team spread from Salvador to Belem and Brasilia? Don't believe what you read!

Imagine what it was like before the improvements ;D Lived in Lisbon for 6 years and have a brother and a sister who grew up in Coimbra and have lived all their lives in Coimbra and Porto. I've visited both cities countless times, worked in Porto and visited the "Queima da Fita" in Coimbra various times, allegedly the second largest consumption of alcohol per capita after the Oktoberfest in Munich.

The improvements they did were pretty major in some places and pretty minor in others, but improvements overall were made and they made the lives of the locals easier after the confusion of the cup calmed down.
 
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Golfingworld

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Coimbra Euro 2004, note the crane in the background and that part of the stadium, which was part of the massive investment in infrastructure that never got quite finished in time for the match! I can't find the pics of the fans "being move safely and quickly from their hotels to the stadiums" Maybe they were moving so fast, my shutter speed couldn't cope!

Yes but this is my point Mr B, you do tend to publish lots of "corporate speak" about investment, infrastructure and growth projections etc etc. I have absolutely first hand experience of this and what the press releases said where nothing like the reality. Getting back to Brazil, it will be the same if not worse due to the huge distances and poor infrastructur...rail links...driving...are you kidding. Yes thousands will go for the world cup, but please don't delude yourself that what you read is what you will get.
 

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JMBroad

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Coimbra Euro 2004, note the crane in the background and that part of the stadium, which was part of the massive investment in infrastructure that never got quite finished in time for the match! I can't find the pics of the fans "being move safely and quickly from their hotels to the stadiums" Maybe they were moving so fast, my shutter speed couldn't cope!

Yes but this is my point Mr B, you do tend to publish lots of "corporate speak" about investment, infrastructure and growth projections etc etc. I have absolutely first hand experience of this and what the press releases said where nothing like the reality. Getting back to Brazil, it will be the same if not worse due to the huge distances and poor infrastructur...rail links...driving...are you kidding. Yes thousands will go for the world cup, but please don't delude yourself that what you read is what you will get.
Sorry if it sounds like corporate speak but that's due to my work training. I tend to push out projections based on numbers and indicators then expect them to be debated so we can see the situation from as many angles as possible and hopefully get a glimpse of what is to come. But for that we need to analzyse the information objectively.

I agree for example, that the logistics of holding the world cup in Brazil is going to be totally different to the Euro in Portugal. Worlds apart. But that doesn't detract from the fact that Portugal invested a lot of money into infrastructure around the Euro other than just stadiums. It also doesn't detract from the fact that proportionally Brazil will need to invest in infrastructure other than just stadiums.

They won't tarmac every road in Brazil by 2014 although there may well be agents out there who will promise their clients they will. But it is possible that some key roads get improved, or even new ones built. I'm not talking Natal, I'm talking all over Brazil wherever the games are held, which I'm hoping will include Natal.
 
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Celt

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I read a report that David Beckham is to travel to Brazil at the end of January to promote Natal as a host city for the 2014 world cup. Does anyone have any information relating to this?

Regards
celt
 
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nickohorny

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Bit of an unreliable source though isn't it? Chinaview?

I think that sounds like a rumour which has been misunderstood. While I was in Natal, I heard that Beckham was going to promote a new development out there. Then I heard he may help promote the town but it sounded like a big "might".
lol i know, but the chinese do adore the guy!
 
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Norbert

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property prices in south africa leading up to the world cup are on the rise.
many people are speculating on areas close to stadiums, and yes, rentals will be very high during the event!
the good thing is that the new investment is bringing new infrastructure which will create a long term legacy.
Really?
Well, maybe in 2007.
Right now crime is at an all time high, and it will only increase during the WC period.
The housing market has collapsed completely, and some 80.000 estate agents have withdrawn by not extending their annual licence.
In Cape Town you still have a huge choice of accommodation.
Even ticket prices are reasonable.
That should tell you something.
The problem is that most South Africans can not afford even the cheapest seat in any of the stadia.
 
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debzor

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Really?
Well, maybe in 2007.
Right now crime is at an all time high, and it will only increase during the WC period.
The housing market has collapsed completely, and some 80.000 estate agents have withdrawn by not extending their annual licence.
In Cape Town you still have a huge choice of accommodation.
Even ticket prices are reasonable.
That should tell you something.
The problem is that most South Africans can not afford even the cheapest seat in any of the stadia.
Anybody got any realistic comparisons?

I mean, is the crime problem in SA the same as BR?
 
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Norbert

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Well I know a few South Africans living in Brazil who think Brazil is very relaxing...
Yes, my South African friends in Brazil feel VERY comfy.
On the other hand, the Brazilians I know in South Africa told me that Recife is PARADISE in comparison to e.g. Jo'burg.

When the SA Gvmnt weren't so tight on exporting currency, more South Africans would buy in Brazil.
 
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